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thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. thanks for joining us "@this hour." "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. what does it say about a city when 90% of people who get traffic tickets and 93% of all the people arrested are black? out today, the u.s. justice department's investigative report on none other than ferguson, missouri. in boston, flashbacks to the blasts at the finish line and the manhunt that paralyzed that city as dzhokhar tsarnaev goes on trial for his life. and did the arguments that we just heard in the u.s. supreme court deal any kind of a fatal blow to the obamacare
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health care law, leaving millions who signed up for obamacare without any plan at all? hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. and welcome to "legal view." if you don't think words matter, i want to show you four words that could, could be the downfall of obamacare. ready? they're simple, established by the state. seems so simple and yet that reference to government subsidies, the subsidies that are designed to help americans with lower incomes so that they can afford health insurance, that health insurance that the law requires you to have, the question that's now being argued before these nine people this morning, the supreme court of the united states, is whether those subsidies, those extras that you get, in fact should only go to the consumers in the state-run insurance exchanges. well, is that you? take a look at your map. only 16 states and d.c. agreed to operate the exchange.
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and the rest, they're all relightning on the federal government and its exchange. right now, more than 7 million people in those states qualify for a lot of money, almost $300 a month in obamacare help, bringing their out-of-pocket to just over $100. so think about the math. if all those people lost these subsidies, probably everybody w but the sickest would drop out, causing the premiums for everyone else to surge causing what's been called a death spiral for the whole obamacare system. you believe believe that our jeffrey toobin had a prime seat in the court to hear those arguments. and our cnn justice correspondent pamela brown taking notes as well. pamela, i'll start with you for a blow-by-blow of what happened in those halls today. >> it was a sharply divided court along party lines. the liberal justices came out of the gate first off with some very tough questions for the
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plaintiff's attorney. and they focus a lot on the context of the law. as you just said, they kept honing in on this idea that it would be a death spiral if the subsidies were taken away from americans in those 34 states. justice kennedy really focused on the federalist argument. he seemed to be very concerned on how it would impact the states if the subsidies were taken away and whether the states knew at the time of making the decision of whether or not to have an exchange, knew that their citizens wouldn't get subsidies if there was a federal exchange. but justice roberts, chief justice roberts, ashleigh, intensingly enough didn't really say a whole lot in the courtroom today. all eyes were on him. he stunned conservatives when he upheld the constitutionality of the affordable care act. but today seemed he didn't want to tip his hand as to which side he was on. i think that surprised a lot of
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people. >> i'll turn to the man on your left, if i can. jeffrey toobin, i'm not going to ask you to prognosticate because i know you are loath to do so. but we all get a flavor of what the justices are thinking before they come down with their decision. and if roberts hasn't said anything that will lead us to believe where he might be, was there anything else that should tell us the fifth person is leaning a certain way? >> well, ashleigh, as you point out, i have been burned and i have burned our viewers with unduly certain predictions about what oral argument means for the future actual decision. so i won't do that. but certainly the four democratic appointees were right off the bat -- ginsburg, breyer, sotomayor, cagle, were full of questions for the plaintiff's lawyer. but as you point out, four doesn't do it, they need a fifth
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vote anthony kennedy and john roberts seem like the only possibilities. justice el alito and justice sca were very hostile to the lawyer challenging the law. clarence thomas didn't is ask fwhi questions but his views are usually in line of alito's and scalia's. kennedy several times raised the argument, what does this mean for the states? and to be honest, that's a little mystifies what that means, how that would cut in favor or in opposition to the law. i have never seen him so silent during an oral argument. he didn't want to give much away. he asked a question at the very end but that was really about it. and his views, i think, are pretty mysterious at this point. >> okay, well, i never expected
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that he was going to be the linchpin three years ago, the first time around in the decision that ultimately went the government's way. but if we're back to having anthony kennedy, the guy who ultimately is the most powerful man in the court because he's the swing vote, did you feel him swing one way or the other or was it that wishy-washy, i see both sides kind of questioning? >> no, the thing about justice kennedy is he's not wishy-washy. he tends to go very strongly in one direction or the other. there were several questions towards the end of the oral argument for solicitor general var varilli that showed hostility to the obama administration's position, to the argument that the statute can be fairly interpreted to allow subsidies on the federal exchanges. he seemed to be suggesting -- and i don't want to overread into this. but he seemed to be saying, look, if that were the case, they should have said it more directly.
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so kennedy's vote, i would definitely not put clearly in one camp or the other. roberts almost entirely a mystery. the other six justices, four in favor of the law, two against the law. i'd say those seem pretty set. but it's hard to predict. >> hard to predict. i still keep coming down to these four words, though, established by the state. and how donald varelli has described this as a term of art. we'll see how artful the justices decide to be with this one. thank you to both of you. i know that's quick work. but you're hired for june when we hear what the answer is. >> we'll be here. >> sounds good. >> thank you, pamela and jeffrey. coming up, the federal government's been hard at work, yes, i know you don't often hear that. but the department of justice has been and the report is written. the is are dotted and the ts are
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it is day one in the death penalty trial for boston marathon bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev. opening statements beginning this morning. the prosecutors recounting the horror of april 15th, 2013, nearly two years ago. and even the defense admitted it was him. that's why you get that picture pointing. at the heart of this case, three
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young people, spectators who were just near the finish line and who lost their lives because of it. 29-year-old kristal campbell, with 23-year-old lindsey lu and little robert martin richard, just 8 years old. sean collier, the police officer killed in the manhunt. and then there are the hundreds of other victims whose lives were forever changed that day. so much to revisit. let's turn to deborah feyerick with a look back at the time line of all of those events. >> reporter: right near the marathon finish line on a holiday monday in boston, two explosions 12 seconds apart. >> it was a scene of utter devastation and carnage down there. >> reporter: the homemade bombs kill three people, shrapnel tears through more than 300
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people. >> we were collecting pieces of shrapnel inside the bombs. >> reporter: day three, a break in the case. of the surveillance videos from businesses and spectators, a man in a white ball cap at the second blast site. >> he slides that backpack off his shoulder and stands and mills around. a short time later, he makes a cell phone call. very shortly thereafter, you hear the first bomb go off. >> reporter: day four, the fbi asks the public for help finding two men, later identified as tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev, now on the run. officials say the brothers execute m.i.t. police officer sean collier, carjack an suv and get into a shootout with police. watertown police chief ed devo says tamerlan is shot but manages to reload about four times.
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>> he runs out of ammunition and throws his gun at my sergeant and starts to run. >> reporter: officers tackle tamerlan. his brother tries to scatter police to free him. >> he drags his brother down. he's lodged underneath the stolen suv and he smashes into one of our cruisers. >> reporter: by sunrise friday, millions in the boston area are in lockdown. when it is lifted that night, a resident calls 911. the suspect is hiding in his boat. he's got a sniper's rifle pointed right at his head because he was still a threat. >> we didn't know if he had any bombs on him. >> reporter: after ten hours, tsarnaev surrenders. at the hospital, he is questioned by interrogators and read his rights. >> this case is going to be very difficult for so many people to hear, especially the people i'm about to tell you about. these are the jury members, ten
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men and eight women and six of them are alternates. and if tsarnaev is convicted, they will also have to decide whether he lives or whether he dies for the crimes. juror 229 used to be a social worker but quit to take care of her children. and when she was asked if she was in favor of the death penalty, this is what she said, quote, if you asked me this question 20 years ago, i would have said definitely not. sometimes bad things happen out there and there needs to be some consequences. move on to juror 286. that person is a general manager at a restaurant. she said, quote, i don't feel like i'm sending someone to death or life in prison. their actions got them there. i'm following the law. deb feyerick is live outside the courthouse in boston and she's been in the courtroom. also joining me is cnn commentator megarobbins in boston and cnn legal analyst, paul callan, live with me here in new york. deb, take me to boston and inside that federal courtroom
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where they do not allow cameras to broadcast what happened live. you have to be my eyes and ears. what was that like? >> reporter: it was really interesting. dzhokhar tsarnaev sitting there flanked by his defense attorneys where the media's in the middle. to the left of us is a number of victims, about four rows worth of victims, including the parents of 8-year-old marty richards who bled to death allegedly because of the bomb that was detonated by zoempb zarqawi. detonated by dzhokhar tsarnaev. during the opening statements he sat at attention listening to what was being said. during the current witness, he seemed disinterested. he looks disheveled. but what's very interesting is the victims featured prominently in the openings of both the prosecutors and also the defense. the prosecutors describing how the three who died at the
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marathon simply bled to death and dzhokhar tsarnaev meanwhile had slipped away and was at a whole foods buying milk while paramedics were trying to save the lives of so many people who were injured. then we heard from the defense attorneys. they almost seemed to jump past the guilt phase to the sentencing phase. they also talked about the victims, the lives that were taken, the grief, the loss. but they said that this was the act of two misguided brothers, a senseless act. and the defense attorney saying it was him. the big question, why? why did they do this and who was the ringleader? and that's what this case is about. they say the older brother, tamerlan, brought everything, did everything, was the self-radicalized one and the younger brother followed and that's what this case is going to be about for the next couple of months. >> let me turn to mel robbins for a moment in boston. you've been living this for the last couple of years.
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you know what the community is feeling. you have your finger on the pulse of this. ultimately is this case going to come down to the whodunnit arguments or more of the mitigation of, please don't kill our client? >> ashleigh, it's an excellent question. and the defense counsel was brilliant this morning by turning in front of that jury in opening statements and saying, he's guilty, he did it. what that does is two things, it basically makes the jury immediately in a weird way trust defense counsel because they're not expecting it and it's exactly what's on everybody's minds. and secondly it takes the focus off of whodunnit and puts the focus on, huh, why and what does this mean in terms of punishment? do we kill him or do we sentence him to life in prison without the possibility of parole where he will die, ashleigh? >> so then ultimately, paul callan, walk me through how you technically conduct a trial like this? do you spend a whole bunch of
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time on the guilt/innocence phase to lay out foundations for everything else you'll bring in later or do you get through the guilt/innocent phase and beg and plead and mitigate once you get to the life/death phase? >> with that opening statement this morning, the jury's going to be looking saying, what are we wasting our time on, isn't it time for sentencing? you'll see the prosecutor wanting to spell out in great detail the horror of this crime because it's really a factor in the death penalty portion of the case. the more horrific the crime, the more planning that went into it, the more callous the behavior, the more reason the prosecutors can ask for the death penalty. >> do you think one of the key pieces of evidence prominently featured is the blood-crawled message in the boat where they got everybody -- this is just a portion of it, this is dzhokhar tsarnaev's words in blood as he's -- he thinks he's dying
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"the u.s. government is killing our innocent civilians but most of you already know that. as a muslim, i can't stand to see such evil go unpunished. we muslims are all one body. you hurt one, you hurt us all. now, i don't like killing innocent people, it is forbidden in islam. but due to said -- it is allowed. and the rest is unintelligible. that goes to, i did this, it wasn't my brother telling me to do this, it was my god. >> in some ways, that could be the most important piece of evidence in the entire trial which is why prosecutors are trying to bring in a piece of the boat to show them the statement. it turns this from an ordinary crime into almost a military operation in which civilians were deliberately killed and even people who oppose the death penalty in massachusetts might say, you know something, in a case like this, this is the one
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case i make the exception and vote for death. and i think that's the message that prosecutors are trying to convey in the way they try the case. >> we're just at the beginnings of it. just opening statements but a lot more to come. paul, thank you. mel, thank you. and deb feyerick, i know you have a lot of work to cover. thank you for coming out to share the openings with us. coming up next, an extremely encouraging progress report you might say in the war against isis. jihadi john in his own words, the man you've heard speak before, he's been doing a lot of talking before he got on these tapes. hear what he said years ago. ♪ at mfs, we believe in the power of active management. every day, our teams collaborate around the world, to actively uncover, discuss and debate investment opportunities. which leads to better decisions for our clients. it's a uniquely collaborative approach you won't find anywhere else. put our global active management expertise to work for you.
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we are hearing some new audio recordings of isis terrorist mohammed emwazi. you may know him better as jihadi john. in the recording that was released by the muslim advocacy group cage, emwazi is heard denying that he's an extremist. cnn's miguel marquez has the highlights from this interview that cage conducted with emwazi six years ago. >> i said, wow these must be some serious questions. let's get down to it. >> reporter: the voice purportedly of mohammed emwazi, a.k.a. jihadii john, from a 2009 interview with the british muslim advocacy group, cage. >> he looked at me and he said, mohammed, and i said, yes. >> reporter: he threatened world leaders and apparently murdered are in cold blood innocent westerners in syria. >> obama, you have started your
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arab bombardment which keeps us striking our people. it's only right we continue to strike the next of your people. >> reporter: how is it emwazi went from a good upbringing, education and background to such extreme radicalization? >> i don't believe -- i told him everything that's been happening is extreme. >> reporter: even pictures of emwazi tell a story. this one, a gawky college student from britain's university to this one of him in 2010 and then to this, a murderer who despite hiding his face and disguising his voice is now exactly what he claimed he wasn't when being interviewed by britain's security service mi5 in 2009. >> we don't force anyone to come into religion. everyone's got their own right. >> reporter: during that 2009 interview, emwazi said he thought both 9/11 and the 77
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bombings in london were extremist behavior and wrong. but whoever was interviewing him from mi5 wasn't buying it, further angering emwazi. >> i said, after what i just told you, after i told you what's happening is extremism this and that and you're still suggesting i'm an extremist. >> reporter: miguel marquez, cnn, new york. >> emwazi's father says he is not certain that his son is jihadi john, despite several newspaper reports that have him quoted as saying, my son is a dog and an animal and he can go to hell. for his part, that father says he's suing newspapers that have made that claim. cnn obtained court documents that seem to directly contradict the statements you just heard from mohammed emwazi. his uk court filings say that emwazi was part of a radical recruitment network as early as 2007. i want to bring in paul
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cruickshank, our cnn terrorism analyst who obtained these documents. what's in there and what are they? >> we obtained these administrative court documents from the uk. in it, the british government says that emwazi was part of the radical recruitment network as early as 2007. they were wanting to try to send people to somalia to join the terrorist group al shabaab or al qaeda over there. the document also says that several of his associates actually traveled to somalia and were trained by al qaeda there in 2006 and the al qaeda operative there persuaded them to return back to the united kingdom to create this recruitment and facilitation. this guy had some very interesting connections in the uk and was part of this radical recruitment network. >> that's all fascinating except
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for the document that you've got is not about jihadi john. it is about a colleague of his. the claims that are made within those documents, they refer to him as a colleague but they don't make any specific -- what i'm trying to get at is that it seems that jihadi john through some representative has suggested that he was turned into a radical because of the treatment by the government as opposed to the government had a good eye on this guy because he was bad all along. >> and these documents tend to contradict that notion. they suggest that when he traveled to tanzania in august 2009, he was already part of this radical network, this very serious radical network in the uk recruiting for al shabaab for somalia in east africa, serious enough to be named in these court documents, somebody that was meeting with these guys a lot, who were deeply involved. one of his friends actually joined al shabaab, came a very senior operative in al shabaab and was killed in a u.s. drone strike there in 2012.
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and this network by 2011, 2012, they pivot away from somalia and they start focusing on syria. around 2013, mohammed emwazi, jihadi john, is believed to have traveled to syria to join isis there. >> it is just fascinating reading. it's great you got your hands on it. sheds more light on this serious and deadly death cult. coming up, when the department of justice does its work, it files its work and then we the public get to see its work and sometimes reporters get their hands on that work before it's filed, such as the case for cnn and what the d.o.j. is saying about ferguson, missouri. we've got the goods and they're about to go public with it. what do you suppose the ferguson police department has to say about it? you'll hear all after it, the numbers, the problems and possible solutions coming up next. in our house, we do just about everything online.
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which is perfect for me, because i think everything should just work. works? works. works! works? works. works. call it redemption or validation and in the town of ferguson, missouri, call this a giant leap towards major changes that are to come. all of those people in ferguson who accused their police force of not playing fair, black people who say they are targeted by the cops, stopped more often than people of other races, arrested more often, beat up more often, thrown in jail more often and kept there longer, the people of ferguson insist that
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this happens. and now the united states government says, you're right, it did and it has been. the accusations went national in the violent aftermath of the michael brown killing. but the justice department looked into the police department's history years before anyone knew who michael brown was and maybe even before he was born. and they found what they call, quote, a pattern of discrimination. a pattern. that means no coincidences, no accidents and no isolated incidents. i'm not going to hammer you with all the numbers but it all came down to doing the math. so indulge me for a moment. ferguson's population, 67% black, just over two-thirds of the population. but look at two years' worth of arrest records. 97% of people put in handcuffs, african-americans. 85% of vehicle stops, black drivers.
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90% of citations written go to african-americans. and if you think the police force reflects the demographics in ferguson, not in the least. on average, there were 53 police officers during the investigation time period and just three of them were black. as for the city of ferguson, they're not saying much just yet except that they're reviewing all of those federal findings, just like cnn is doing. official there is say they're going to make a statement public later today and anytime now, the justice department will actually physically release the detailed report from that investigation that was ordered by the top guy, the u.s. attorney general, eric holder. and don't forget, it is holder, the man who called the united states, quote, a nation of cowards when it comes to confronting racial issues. that was back in 2009 just as he was taking office. time to talk about what all this means and whether big change is coming or bankruptcy in some cases. in st. louis, i welcome alderman
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antonio french and our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. jeff, if i could start with you, i don't want to say are you surprised by this because ever since eric holder took office, he said this is his solemn obligation, to change the way justice is exacted in this country. but are you surprised at the numbers and the strident language that came in this report? >> not really. the justice department has a history of taking on police departments that have bad histories when it comes to racial issues. they have investigated big cities, like cincinnati and new orleans, as well as smaller cities like ferguson. the question now is what are they going to do about it and is the ferguson police department even going to continue to exist? there are some who believe that part of the problem is that there are too many small police
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departments around st. louis and consolidation would be the best thing that could happen for the people of ferguson. and that is certainly an option that's going to be on the table. >> alderman french, if i could get you to weigh in on this. if i understand it and please correct me if i'm wrong, the police department in ferguson has two options as it awaits the official file, figuratively speaking, it can agree with the justice department and work with the justice department, which will cost millions and millions of dollars to oversee and implement and lawyers' fees, et cetera. or they can fight, they can fight the justice department, which would mean millions and millions of dollars in litigation, et cetera. it's a little place, ferguson, and it's a little department. which option might they take and can they afford either? >> well, i think they should take the option of working with the federal government to try to remedy some of the problems that are outlined in this report. i think it would be very foolish
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for them to try to fight this. the evidence is clear and they would have a very tough time defeating the federal government in court. the question remains, though, of the recommendations that the department of justice will make for ferguson, if ferguson can actually afford to implement some of those recommendations. if they cannot, they may do what other municipalities have done which is dissolve their police department and outsource their policing duties to an outside police department. >> there are suggestions that the idea is that it could end up in tax hikes for the residents there, it could end up, as you said, encompassing the police department into the larger police department. so forget that whole community policing thing. an uptick in crime because a lot of police officers may say, i'm not stopping that car because i don't want to be accused of anything now that we're under
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the microscope. let me bring in our evan perez. what else are the feds saying and is there anything that you're seeing that can sort of help to answer some of these issues that are on the table? >> reporter: ashleigh, the justice department just issued two reports. the first one i'll tell you about is the decision to decline to bring charges against darren wilson, which is something we knew about. but this one report explains why that is. and i'll tell you what they've concluded is that there is no evidence upon which prosecutors can rely to disprove darren wilson's stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety. there are two key parts of the controversy that we focused on in the last few months, which is, was michael brown an aggressor? did he have his hands up? was darren wilson shooting him while he was trying to give himself up? according to the justice department, they could find -- they talked to many witnesses who gave varying accounts.
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they could not find anything to disprove darren wilson's account that michael brown was trying to reach for his gun. you remember there was a struggle inside the squad car. and then secondly, when brown had his hands up, there are varying accounts. some witnesses recanted statements they made to the media when they talked to the fbi. and according to the prosecutors, no matter what the account was from different witnesses, in the end, they determined that michael brown was moving towards officer darren wilson and therefore that goes back to the key question of whether or not darren wilson had fear for his safety, which the justice department says they can't prove he did not. >> let me bring in alderman french again quickly, i have to ask you about a comment that was made on cnn a couple of hours ago by the police officers association. they say the numbers maybe need to be looked at in more context because it's horrible to hear that 97% of the people put in
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handcuffs are african-american when only 67% of the residents of ferguson are black. he says that doesn't take into account the northern part of the county. and you're in that part of the county. some towns are 82% -- berkeley is a five-minute drive from ferguson. it's 82% african-americans, jennings is 92% african-american. and those would be the people driving through, shopping, going to work and back and maybe might account for some of those pullovers and stops. is there any validation you can give to that point of view when it comes to these numbers? >> well, i think that the number of people that are pulled over, cited, arrested by the ferguson police department far exceeds the number of residents of the city of ferguson. so there are african-americans that travel from my ward in st. louis city to shopping areas in the county that pass through ferguson. and they are pulled over, they are stopped, they are arrested. but there are also many white
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citizens that also travel through ferguson. and what you see is that arrests and pullovers and citations almost exclusively affect african-americans. and what it really becomes is a case of taxation by citation and it's only african-americans that are paying this tax just for traveling through cities like ferguson. >> alderman french, thank you for being with us. also to jeffrey toobin and evan perez, thank you. why are they taking so long, the jurors deciding on the death penalty for jodi arias? are they headed for another deadlock or are they simply being extraordinarily careful when it comes to taking someone's life?
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as the clock ticks by, it
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seems more and more possible there could be another hung jury in the jodi arias case. the arizona jury who will decide whether that convicted murderer gets life behind bars or death has been deliberating for over 20 hours now. either way, ms. arias does not have a lot to look forward to. i want to bring in cnn correspondent and attorney herself jean casarez as well as nancy grace. good to have both you guys back. lay out the lifestyle for jodi arias, no matter what this jury decides? >> once she becomes a part of the department of corrections and in prison. she'll have a single cell. this is on death row if she does get death. it's 12 x 7 and there's a toilet, a sink, a bed with a mattress. beyond that, all of her meals come to her cell. there's no comingling here.
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exercise three times a week. no contact with inmates. noncontact visitations behind glass. two phone calls per week, ten minutes a time, which isn't too long. she can have some personal property and some hygiene items. two appliances. i asked the department of corrections what does that mean? television and radio, she can have that in her cell. two books, writing materials which i'm sure she will like. and if she has a life sentence, there's an orientation when she gets there, there's a fa face-to-face interview because there's a step program to greater benefits and can even work her way to general population. so so much more freedom with a life sentence. but with death, you're virtually alone forever. >> nancy grace, that's the way it should be. for people who have watched the horrors that that woman perpetrated on her ex-boyfriend, i'm sure they really don't care one way or the other or do they? >> you know, this is what i recall.
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i recall one particular photo -- forget all these sex session photos we heard about for days and days. the jury saw those photos. and then they'd look over at arias dressed up like a librarian with her seat screws down so she would look smaller than everybody else. forget that. this photo sticks in my mind where travis alexander's head was yanked back by his hair by jodi arias so she could slice his throat from ear to ear. just hold that image one moment. from what i know this morning, the courtroom is packed with travis alexander family and supporters. i think it is going to be a hung jury. ashleigh, last night, the jury went out a secret way. that's never happened before with this jury. so the press would not see them leave. they're obviously hiding from something and i think that something is a hung jury. >> and if that happens, nancy, remind our viewers what's automatic in that state?
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>> it's going to be life either with or without parole, that will be decided by the judge. >> if that's the state, that's the last we see of this lady or does she have other appeals? >> yes, there is. it's not the end of jodi arias, i can promise you that. this will be appealed forever. >> yeah, i had a feeling you were going to say that. nancy, always good to see you, thank you, friend. i used your line. >> bye, ladies. >> thank you, jean. nancy is on tonight, 8:00, hln. back after this.
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federal agents have raided dozens of so-called maternity hotels in southern california. here are the pictures to prove it. these are places where moms-to-be from other countries, mainly china, fly in to give birth so that their babies can be u.s. citizens. the feds say the women pay anywhere from $15,000 to $50,000 and that does not always include the medical care. more on that later. on average, more than nine people are killed every day in crashes involving distracted drivers. now one victim is trying to lower the figure by changing the laws. my favorite person on earth, dr. sanjay gupta, has her story. >> reporter: being stubborn may have saved jaycee goode's life. >> my mom didn't appreciate it nearly enough. i think it's my best characteristic. >> reporter: in 2008 on the day
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she graduated from college, jaycee and her parents were in a car accident caused by a teenager talking on his cell phone. her mom and dad were killed. jaycee was given a 10% chance of survival. >> my pelvis was shattered. i had a damaged liver. my lungs were both partially collapsed and i had a traumatic brain injury that put me on the edge of death. >> reporter: jaycee fought back, refusing to give in. >> i wanted my life back. in college, i had the reputation that i was the one who was going to save the world. >> reporter: her call to action came after the driver who caused the accident wasn't convicted. there was no law against the use of cell phones. >> i spoke at a press conference in pennsylvania trying to get a ha handheld band and a texting ban. finally that went into effect that texting and driving is illegal. >> reporter: now the 28-year-old also speaks around the country to raise awareness about the dangers of using a phone behind
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